Wow. And you thought you were unprepared for moot court?! Just listen to that guy! (It’s short, only 4 min.)
Survey of Student Engagement
Jeremy has a fantastic Survey of Student Engagement posted today… All law students are definitely encouraged to take it.
More on Law Professors…
Prof. Hurt over at Conglomerate jumps into the ‘where should you go to school if you want to be a law professor fray’ and raises a very good point: it is important to consider current hiring practices and not just the practices of the past.
To respond to some points that have been raised in various comments on other sites:
1. Prof. Leiter notes: “It appears the person (My name is Dave, but you may call me Mr. Gulbransen –Ed.) surveying the Chicago-area law schools was counting clinical *and* academic faculty…” Personally, I don’t care about the distinction. I doubt outside of the cloistered world of the academy, that anyone cares. Undoubtedly it has career implications but I also suspect there are some who would prefer to be clinical faculty. God forbid people entering the field of higher education have different motives.
2. I don’t think it’s any more difficult to pursue an academic career in law than it is in any other academic field. In fact, I’m still surprised that people can get jobs in legal education with only a J.D. (Although, as Prof. Solum notes, and LLM, SJD, or PhD can an advantage.) I mean c’mon people–the scholarly publications of legal education are student edited journals. I do wonder how the world of legal scholarship would be changed if faculty submitted to peer edited journals. I know I’m not the first to wonder.
3. Publishing is lovely; however, there are those who would just prefer to teach–and there is value in that. Law professors would be wise to bear that in mind. Those who graduate, enter the real world, make their fortunes are those who endow the chairs that afford faculty the luxury of academe. They also tend to remember those who taught them best. (And yes, I’m aware that publishing and teaching aren’t mutually exclusive–but those who master both are as exceptional as the Tier 4 graduate professor.)
4. I never stated that I wanted a career in academics. I wouldn’t rule it out, but it’s not something I’ve given much consideration–it is certainly not why I decided to go to law school. Frankly, if I knew with 100% certainty that I wanted to be an academic, I’d get a PhD before I’d get a JD. I’m one of those freaks who went to law school with the notion that the law applies to so many areas of our lives that it would be worth having the degree–whether I practice or not–and whether I stay in my current career path or not.
I just hate to see members of a class (and “law professor” is definitely a class) crushing the dreams of anyone out there who may be wanting to pursue a career in academics. Yes, a healthy dose of reality is important to anyone–no one should be completely blind to the hurdles they may have to overcome to pursue a career in their chosen field. But to say that if you go to a school outside the top [insert arbitrary, self-serving number] then it’s hopeless isn’t doing a service to anyone because it is just not true.
That isn’t to say that someone who graduates at the bottom of their class from a Tier 4 school has a shot at academics; but that’s not really what’s being debated. None of the student voices I’ve heard lack the understanding that the more prestigious your pedigree the easier the road. But there are those out there who would be very comfortable ending up a faculty member at one of those Tier 2, 3, or 4 schools where they could teach students to be lawyers. And not all of those future professors need degrees from Yale to get there.
Something is rank here, all right.
There’s a lot of talk about law school rank these days (I guess there always is)… however, one thing that caught my eye was David Bernstein’s post over at The Volokh Conspiracy. Law Dork and Divine Angst both had some interesting comments as well.
So, in the spirit of procrastination for a brief I’m working on, I did a “mini” survey. I looked at the “rankings” for the schools attended by some law professors who blog:
Blogging Professors | |
Number Surveyed | 47 |
Average Rank | 7 |
Top 10 | 37/47 |
Percentage Top 10 | 79% |
Since I’m all about the City of Chicago, I also decided to take a look at all the law schools in the Chicago area. Here they are, presented in order of school rank:
Chicago | Rank: 6 |
Number Surveyed | 58 |
Average Rank | 6 |
Top 10 | 54/58 |
Percentage Top 10 | 93% |
Northwestern | Rank: 10 |
Number Surveyed | 88 |
Average Rank | 16 |
Top 10 | 66/88 |
Percentage Top 10 | 75% |
Chicago-Kent | Rank: 63 |
Number Surveyed | 69 |
Average Rank | 23 |
Top 10 | 35/69 |
Percentage Top 10 | 51% |
Loyola | Rank: 67 |
Number Surveyed | 47 |
Average Rank | 37 |
Top 10 | 22/47 |
Percentage Top 10 | 47% |
DePaul | Rank: 103 |
Number Surveyed | 62 |
Average Rank | 41 |
Top 10 | 24/62 |
Percentage Top 10 | 39% |
John Marshall | Rank: 138 |
Number Surveyed | 61 |
Average Rank | 47 |
Top 10 | 23/61 |
Percentage Top 10 | 38% |
Note: This was a very cursory survey, based on faculty listings on the school’s websites. I also threw out professors who had degrees from places like “Tokyo University” because I didn’t have a ranking guide handy for them. The other ranks are all based on the latest U.S. News ranking, since that seems to be the de facto standard–for better or worse.
If you want to see the full results–including a break-down by individual faculty members, I’ve put it here in an Excel sheet.
Apparently, there is some hope for those who would like to pursue a career in academics, but don’t have the Top 10 cred.
Would anyone be interested if I expanded this into a full survey/paper?
Calling all Law Students – A Quick Survey
I’m just curious (I’m having issues with my school’s computing support). How many of your schools offer:
1. Wired network access in the classroom?
2. Wireless network access?
3. If they offer wireless network access, how do you authenticate? (If you know.)
Thanks!
The Pitfalls of Biglaw: Part Deux
I was having a chat the other day with some folks about Biglaw, and the subject of the Yale Numbers came up. We got to wondering what the typical first-year associate makes, hourly, based on those numbers. So here it is:
Based on what seems to be the industry average for starting Biglaw Associates, $125k per year.
Target: 1800 Billable.
Reality: 2434 Hours at work.
Hourly Rate: ~$50/hr.
Target: 2200 Billable.
Reality: 3058 Hours at work.
Hourly Rate: ~$40/hr.
Now, granted, many firms offer yearly bonuses, so that can push the hourly rate up… except that you don’t get bonuses for being a low biller…
…in fact, I did a little digging, and (granted, this is old data) but at one Biglaw firm, first-year associates got a bonus based on–you guessed it–hours billed. The bonus for 2200 hours at this firm was $15,500. Raising the hourly rate to $46/hr.
It’s not hard math to do, but I wonder how many law students ever bother to do it.
Pony Up the Points!
Jeremy Richey is encouraging everyone to donate their Lexis Points for tsunami relief (via the Red Cross). Just sign into your Lexis account and “shop”… you should see a link to donate to the Red Cross Tsunami relief.
C’mon people! Pony up the points! What the hell were you going to use them for anyway?! Spend the points on something useful!
The Pitfalls of Big Law
One of the many reason’s lawyers have such incredibly low career satisfaction, and one reason I don’t want to go Big Law: The Truth About the Billable Hour
[Via The Prejudicial Effect]
Guest Post
I wrote a Guest Post today for Evan over at Notes from the (Legal) Underground. It was in response to this post from last week by Prof. Childs.
Go on over and check them out, if you are so inclined.
A Minor Criticism
I realize that I am not at a “Tier One” school where the focus is academic research. However, my school aggressively touted their legal writing program as a selling point and I bought it.
But now that I’ve been through a semester of it and I’m deep into the first assignment of the second semester. It’s become clear: this is not about writing; it’s about job training.
I don’t actually have a problem with that. But I do wish it had been billed that way. I understand the need to teach us how to structure memorandum, complaints, motions, memorandum in support of motions, briefs, etc. But the bulk of our time is spent going over rote procedural points that could, I think, easily been gleaned out of a text book or by example.
We don’t spend any time in class analyzing our thought processes, our word choice, the logical structure of our arguments. That’s sloughed off with the “Neumann Paradigm” which is to be committed to memory, and serve as the boiler plate for all of our writing moving forward. Fine. That’s all fine. It’s just a let-down.
But the kicker, the thing that actually bothers me is the constant, “the first assignment you’ll get when you join a firm.” Or, “this is how the partner you’re working for is going to want this.” Or, “the first few years at your firm are going to be spent doing this.”
God forbid any of us should want to start a solo practice. Or work for the state.
Or go into public service. Or consult. Or any number of things we could accomplish with our training.
This assumption that we’re all automatons gearing up to practice BIGLAW, go the traditional wage slave, er, associate route is *so* 1950. I know law is slow to change, but really, this is 2005. There are probably as many different reasons for being here as there are students. And a significant portion of us probably don’t want to practice BIGLAW. So fine, teach the course like we’re all going to end up the Anonymous Lawyer, but c’mon throw the rest of us a bone every now and then with an assignment that might actually pique our interest. And stop ramming the, “this is the way it will be” down our throat.